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    Welcome to an(other) perspective, a space where commentary is experiential, where the evidence is existence as one knows it, and therefore also, the lack thereof.

    *music*

    Now that I've watched part 2

    I have to express my just, disappointment with Wicked

    I'm so sorry like

    I couldn't be more sorry because, I genuinely feel like

    watching Cynthia Erivo perform

    and hearing Cynthia Erivo sing has genuinely

    like with no exaggeration

    given me a new lease on life,

    it has really given me something to aspire to.

    I would love to be at good as writing

    as Cynthia Erivo is at singing and emoting.

    Like, her voice gives me like a physical reaction in my body

    it is STUNNING and I think her performances across both of the Wicked films

    were truly like, they were heartfelt, they were sincere

    they were measured, they were- they were deep.. there was like a fountain-

    there was a deep well of emotions there.

    And I feel like she really pulled from them, and I really got that in the performance

    I also feel like it- cinematography

    everything it looked absolutely BEAUTIFUL.

    It looked SO aesthetically pleasing and-and Paul Tazewell -

    my goodness, those costumes were magnificent.

    The storytelling does not exist in these two films.

    I'm really really really really really really really really sorry.

    And it started off with the first film

    after you watch the first film in the cinema

    and you watch it like two- another

    like by the second or the third watch,

    you're like huh like..there's not actually much.. that happened here.

    But I wanna talk about part 2, because I literally just watched it.

    There was a lot of story missing, and by that I'm not saying that they didn't follow the

    the play. I'm not saying that um and I did watch the play once when I was a kid, um

    the musical and I really enjoyed it

    but that- like- the people that I went with to see-

    to see the film told me that this

    part 2 is in line with what happens in the musical

    and what happens on stage

    and I was like okay if that's the case then Wicked isn't as great as you guys have been saying

    because where is the story?

    Where is the drama?

    Where? Like where?

    What was Elphaba doing all of those months learning magic? Like where was the trying and failing to learn magic?

    Where was the depression from the solitude?

    Where was her doing her darnedest to convince the animals that - actually - she isn't an opp?

    Even though she did do that to uh Chistery and co? She's actually on their side and that's why um Oz and the Wizard of Oz is against her?

    Where was that scene?

    Where was us, you know, reflecting on her treatment? And reflecting on how actually

    while she was being bullied at Shiz, Nessa never showed up for her - and that's why

    it was easier for her to make that decision to not return when their father died

    do you know what I mean

    like even in the year and the- and then that scene

    having that scene in there would be um-

    would still fit in with the story because guess what Nessa betrayed her- again! EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

    where was the-the private reflections of Madame Morrible after every

    uh- not after every announcement but  at least after one announcement having you know memories of of her and Elphaba bonding?

    Where was the- Where was the-

    Where was the back and forth? Where was the... what's the word? Where was the duality?

    Like.. where was the Judas of it all? Do you know what I mean like, is it me Jesus?

    Like is it me ? YEAH! like you were her teacher you like- where were those memories?

    Where was like even Madame Morrible maybe she was happy to drop Elphaba in it-Elphaba in it

    because she realized how powerful she was

    As stated in the first film when she said I can't-I can only read but a few words of the Grimmerie, here comes Elphaba first crack out of the book.

    Like where's the memories of her looking at Elphaba "actually

    you're actually a little bit too powerful for me and, if I ever need to take you down I will." Like where was that thought? Where was that scene?

    Like for Madame Morrible to turn on the dime..?

    Why does Madame Morrible hate the fucking a-animals so much? Did an animal kill her mum?

    What are we talking about?

    And I fucking HATE I hate allegory

    I hate allegories for racism for slavery

    I- cause you guys you never do it well

    that's why I fucking hate robots by Channel 4

    I HATE THAT SHIT. It's so fucking racist because there isn't any actual heartfelt- there's like- it you can just tell, the people that are using this allegory

    have- they you've like you

    like- the marginalisation that black people

    and Africans specifically have had to face in the western world

    you've never experienced that emotion and you DON'T know how to tell that story.

    In the first um film, we should have seen Elphaba trying to assimilate beyond a hair flick like

    have you never met a black girl in your life?

    it's so ANNOYING. It's so annoying and it's so fucking disappointing, it doesn't make any fucking sense. It doesn't make any fucking sense and d'you know what? Elphaba, maybe she should have come up with a little wig!

    She was- she- she- maybe she should have come up with a little straight wig.

    Like, as like, and like if we're gonna go there - then let's really go there let's do ASSIMILATION.

    Let's do Elphaba acting like she's no longer i-intelligent

    acting like Gli-Glinda in that regard as well. Being in class like "oh

    what's going on?" do you know what I mean?

    Like, let's do fucking assimilation, if we're gonna go then then let's GO.

    Let's do- let's do the thing, let's tell the story.. 

    And what is the time frame because as as Elphaba's younger sister

    When did- what-what age did Nessa Rose become the governor after her dad died??? What are we talking about?

    And speaking of Nessa Rose- give me more give me MORE..GIVE ME MORE.

    I feel like one of the things that is missing from the story is

    INTENT.

    Where was everyone's intent from the apart aside from the fact that she had green skin?

    Jealousy, envy- envy is green hello?

    let's like, hello?

    Hello? Hello?

    I'm just- I'm- it's just so hard

    it's just so hard to not be like perpetually wound up about this

    because I don't have the fucking money to IP

    Wicked and REDO IT

    but you guys had-according to fucking Bowen Yang got a gaji-

    a gajillion dollars, you had a gajillion dollars

    and this is like I'm-oh my goodness..

    And this is another thing in the second film

    why the fuck is Glinda like so fucking innocent

    it doesn't make any sense

    like the irony of the second film is

    they paint Glinda as being genuinely good

    and it's like if Glinda was genuinely good

    then she would have joined Elphaba's cause

    how do you not see that

    what we needed to do was have the veneer that they were

    they had they had put on for her

    that Madame Morrible and the Wizard was

    was pumping that you know

    press machine for her and behind the scenes

    it's all got to her head

    she's a compulsive liar

    she's a fucking raging narcissist

    and she is actually terrible to her staff

    she's terrible to her friends that work for her

    and she actually doesn't give a fuck about anything

    but looking GOOD like Madame Morrible said

    like this idea like I'm sorry

    I APOLO-GISE

    but all of those moments and scenes of Ariana

    Grande's eyebrows furrowed

    and her crying

    that isn't like it like definitely emotional

    but it doesn't it doesn't make sense

    like it doesn't flow if you were so CUT UP

    if you were so cut up

    you would side with the actual powerful witch

    and this is the thing

    Elphaba is the one with the actual power

    look how she was able to save Fiyero

    oh my gosh speaking of Fiyero

    the fact that there isn't a timeline that's clear

    I don't know what 12 um

    tidal moons or tidal waves that have turned

    I don't know what that fucking means

    the timeline comes into play with Nessa

    being the governme- governor

    and Fiyero

    like still holding this much of a torch for Elphaba

    without us you showing us him longing for *HER

    and him actually being off put by Glinda's character

    okay yeah

    the the the marriage was a surprise

    it was a surprise proposal

    but if Glinda's so good if Glinda genuinely her heart

    she wanted to do everything that she could

    she did she never meant for any

    any of this to happen

    then there had to be something that repulsed Fiyero enough

    enough for him- WITH THE WORLD AGAINST HER

    with the world against her

    given that he wasn't there

    when this whole shit started

    with the wizard

    for him to turn against Galinda and be like

    actually

    that's the love of my life

    I'm gonna stick beside her

    she- like and then you gave us one scene

    you gave us one scene

    one little flashback of when Nessa

    Rose Boq

    Fiyero Glinda and Elphaba were hanging out in the field

    oh my gosh I just one of the things that I

    I actually I can't

    I can't do it like the lack of storytelling is

    is that I that's why I STAY- like

    I don't watch much TV but if I do

    it's going to be a reality TV show

    or it's going to be a fucking K drama

    because those people- and not the romance ones

    I do not watch romance K dramas

    I don't need you guys to build up a romance

    give me the family dramas

    give me the mother wound dramas

    give me the slice of life dramas

    people trying to make it through their everyday

    give me the Hello My Twenties-

    we're 20 and and

    and we're 20

    and we're living in our 20s and it's difficult

    and we're navigating all sorts of things

    give me a "this rich family ruined my life

    so I'm back to ruin theirs"

    give me that every single day of the week

    because guess what?

    they're gonna explore people's parent wounds

    they're gonna explore um power

    they're gonna explore wealth

    they're gonna explore narcissism

    they're gonna explore losing the will to live

    having the will to live

    they're gonna explore what the poor will do

    to get into the graces and

    and not just the graces

    but the positions of the rich as well

    like you guys you always give me fucking nothing

    you give me fucking nothing

    and it does my fucking head in like

    we can't just keep watching white people look good

    it doesn't make any sense and speaking of which

    oh my goodness why was Glinda's lashes so dark

    and the hair was so blonde

    it didn't make any sense

    it didn't make any sense it didn't make any sense

    it didn't especially because tha- oh my goodness

    it didn't make any sense it didn't make any sense

    it didn't make any sense

    don't get me wrong

    Ariana Grande performance of her life

    she really committed she really committed

    I don't feel like the second performance was as strong

    as the first but she she bled for that shit

    I fear she really tried

    I think the first film she was Oscar worthy

    given Oscar standards you were you Ariana Grande

    you deserve that Oscar and so did Cynthia

    I just feel like

    there were so many things where you can tell

    a storyteller has not been involved here

    which is impossible for me to think

    and the people that I went with are saying

    oh well

    it followed the script of

    of the um

    of the of the play

    it followed the play and it's like

    well the first film didn't

    and actually the play doesn't follow the book

    because I tried to read the book and it was PERVERTED

    so I actually put it down

    and so and the play didn't follow the book

    so why can't we have some artistic license in the film

    in a film where you can do all sorts of takes and cuts

    like oh my gosh

    it upsets me so much guys

    it upsets me so much I just don't understand

    like go on girl

    give us NOTHING and I say that keeping in mind

    I've said Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivro

    they gave us everything Jonathan Bailey ate down

    I do feel like

    Fiyero should have been played by somebody else

    I say that with so much respect

    because he really did do the part

    as much justice as he could

    but also

    Cynthia being the only black woman in the main cast

    ugly ugly

    ugly especially

    when the people who can relate with Elphaba the most

    based on having skin

    a skin colour that's different from everybody else

    who's that gonna be black-

    exactly African women

    exactly exactly exactly...

    and when did Chistery learn to speak?

    EXACTLY EXACTLY

    why didn't you give us more

    why like

    I'm like

    why did you not give us a scene of Elphaba pleading

    her case to the animals like guys please

    I'm not I'm not wicked

    I didn't mean to do that to dem man

    they tricked me like

    we had that

    when they were going down the Underground Railroad

    which some one of you took fucking Keke Palmer's slave

    hymn joke a little too far, that was dark sided

    but I needed that because I was shocked

    me as the watcher of

    I watched the I watched the first film the day before

    like yesterday before I watched this second film

    I was shocked that the animals saw her

    and they weren't shook up

    they weren't shaking

    they weren't they weren't run away

    oh my gosh its Elphaba oh my gosh

    she's gonna kill she's gonna kill us

    she's gonna give us wings

    she's gonna torture us I was like oh

    you guys must be cool

    you guys must be cool and how old is DulciBear? 

    because you guys made DulciBear seem hella old

    when Elphaba was a was a behbeh

    so what was all of that about

    why did we didn't need you guys

    they tried to tie up so many strings

    that didn't need to be there

    first of all:

    the Wizard of Oz you ARE the father- didn't need that

    I actually didn't need that

    I didn't need that and and and then them being like oh

    it's because she's from both worlds

    both worlds in what regards

    her mother wasn't a witch and neither was the Wizard

    so what are you talking about

    it doesn't make any fucking sense

    and it doesn't make any fucking sense like

    and what was Madame Morrible's problem

    and and this is another thing about the animals

    why were they

    why were they chosen as scapegoat in the first place

    did one of them kill Madam Morrible's mum?

    you need to give me some background like

    I hate

    and this is what I was saying about the allegory

    if you're gonna do it

    then you better fucking do it but

    but don't ever make it seem like

    there always has to be a scapegoat

    in this world

    there always has to be a scapegoat and oh

    to bring people together

    there's always gonna have to be somebody to hate

    and then not give a reason for the hate

    I'll expand African people music melodies

    beauty food culture vibes intelligence

    carpentry joinery

    Yorùbá people skipped the Bronze Age

    and went straight straight to iron EXACTLY

    exactly

    I know why Europeans are jealous of West Africans

    in particular

    because that's where they did their their

    their nastiest work

    you can't just say oh oh yeah

    let's just give them the animals but

    and the animals were in your society

    was it that oh

    the animals actually animals have this secret

    they have a a small power

    or one of the animals killed eh Madame Morrible's family

    also with um it like

    it just it like

    you have to give me fucking something also

    going back to Glinda

    it doesn't make sense and like I said

    she needed to be narcissistic

    mean abusive behind closed doors

    and she needed to be in Munchkinland knock

    knocking on people's doors being like

    I heard that you you've got herbs for potions

    I someone said that you saw a ghost

    dedede you need to give me your power do I mean like

    oh like it

    like not like it like

    the fact that the film was about Glinda

    and none of it made sense

    it pisses like it pisses me off so much

    it pisses me off so much

    because you really gave us nothing

    like if you wanted us to make

    if you wanted to make the film about Glinda

    then you should have given us that

    make it about like where was the

    what was the tussle between good and evil

    you've just kind of made her as this vapid

    shallow babe who is on Elphaba side but

    and who is good and innocent

    but not good enough to actually fight for good

    shut the fuck up shut the fuck up

    shut the fuck up shut the fuck up

    and Fiyero who doesn't give a fuck about anything

    doesn't give a fuck about anything

    was singing about how why try

    like why try why pay attention

    all of a sudden now he's in the military

    where he has to follow the RULES

    after being expelled from several SCHOOLS?

    get the fuck out of here get out my face

    get out my face get out

    get out get out

    get out

    and if you were gonna do that

    have him show up late

    to whatever that fucking first scene was

    when they were tap dancing for Glinda

    have him show up late

    his uniform is messy because guess what

    he has ADHD but also he hates RULESSS

    what was that big number FOR?

    oh my gosh OH MY GOSH

    like what reality are people living in

    what reality are you-

    like how could you genuinely have me sit down FOR WHAT?

    two and a half hours FOR WHAT?

    it doesn't make any sense

    it doesn't make any sense

    it doesn't make any sense

    it doesn't make any fucking sense

    and you've upset me actually

    again Cynthia Erivo

    YOU OWE ME NOTHING, YOU OWE ME NOTHING

    Michelle Yeoh ate

    and you looked good you looked good

    I wish they gave you some more

    but you did great Jonathan Bailey again

    not my first choice for this role

    you gave it you gave it some ate

    definitely Ariana Grande do you know what

    I can tell those were real tears

    every time you cried you gave your soul for that

    congratulations to you

    all the best set designers Paul Tazewell

    the sound in the cinema that I was in wasn't great

    but you know the musicians

    everybody that came together for the music

    I also didn't like the music in the second film

    I honestly I feel like you guys have lied about Wicked

    and anyway but

    you know everybody involved

    all the assistants

    everybody that put the contracts through

    negotiated the deals grateful

    glad that you got the work done

    Jon M. Chu 

    exactly exactly

    I'll leave it there exactly